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Season 7—Spring 2026  ·  15 episodes  ·  Through-line: the human architecture of institutional change
Boring AI
is Good AI
Gordon
Why AI Scaffolding
Matters More than Use Cases
Flowers · S6
Decentralized
AI is the Future
Goertzel
Canonical
Knowledge is Key
DosSantos
What AI as
Cheap Prediction Means
Gans
Cheap Prediction,
Expensive Change
Goldfarb
Folk Law &
Fax Machines
Pahlka
Inside The
Infinity Machine
Mallaby
Crisis Is
Your Opening
Nitze
The Confabulation
Machine
Ratliff
No Strategy
Without Vision
Evergreen
When Agents Have
Wallets, Trust Is Currency
Cohen Freue
Nuclear Fusion,
No Power Lines
Frankle
The Checklist Your
Deck Is Missing
McMillan
Knowing Before
Doing
Hasbe
The Pyramid Was
Always Wrong
Barzun
Structure Before
Features
Schwartz ← Latest
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Invisible
Machines

"The enemy of nonsense in AI"  ·  The #1 podcast about agentic AI

Join Robb Wilson and Josh Tyson, authors of Age of Invisible Machines, as they continue the conversations that began in their bestselling book. These explorations push forward at the edges of disruptive technology and design with fellow AI insiders, experts, and luminaries working across adjacent realms.

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Structure Before Features—Evan J. Schwartz · Invisible Machines
◆ Latest episode  ·  S7E15

Structure Before Features

Evan J. Schwartz

Chief Innovation Officer, AMCS Group; Adjunct Professor, Jacksonville University

“You own the outcome. AI owns the output.”

Robb Wilson
Robb Wilson
Owner & Visionary

Robb Wilson

Co-Founder & CEO, OneReach.ai

Robb Wilson authored the first bestselling book about conversational AI, Age of Invisible Machines, and founded OneReach.ai—an acclaimed AI orchestration platform used by enterprises worldwide. Before that, he built and sold a design consultancy that rivaled IDEO and Frog Design.

On Invisible Machines, Robb brings thirty years of hard-won perspective on what it actually takes to build intelligent systems that work at scale—and a sharp instinct for the moments when the industry is fooling itself.

Josh Tyson
Josh Tyson
Editor & Host

Josh Tyson

Contributing Editor, UX Magazine

Josh Tyson is a contributing editor to UX Magazine and co-author of Age of Invisible Machines. His writing has appeared in The New York Times, Harvard Business Review, Raconteur, and Thrasher. He brings a journalist's instinct for the telling detail and a designer's eye for what actually matters.

On Invisible Machines, Josh is the editorial voice—the one translating dense technical terrain into ideas that practitioners can use. He runs the post-episode breakdown where the Ideation for each episode is named.

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7 seasons  ·  100+ episodes
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Season 7—Power, Systems, and the AI Inflection
15 episodes published  ·  New episodes Tuesdays
15
Structure Before Features
Evan J. Schwartz
Guest
Evan J. Schwartz  ·  CIO, AMCS Group · Adjunct, Jacksonville University
Structure Before Features
S7E15  ·  Latest episode
14
The Pyramid Was Always Wrong
Matthew Barzun
Guest
Matthew Barzun  ·  Former U.S. Ambassador · Author, The Power of Giving Away Power
The Pyramid Was Always Wrong
S7E14
13
Knowing Before Doing
Sudhir Hasbe
Guest
Sudhir Hasbe  ·  President & CPO, Neo4j
Knowing Before Doing
S7E13
12
Knowledge Before Agents
Jeff McMillan
Guest
Jeff McMillan  ·  Founder, McMillanAI
Knowledge Before Agents
S7E12
11
Nuclear Fusion, No Power Lines
Jonathan Frankle
Guest
Jonathan Frankle  ·  Chief AI Scientist, Databricks
Nuclear Fusion, No Power Lines
S7E11
10
When Agents Have Wallets, Trust Is Currency
Guest
Federico Cohen Freue  ·  EVP, AI & Data Operations, Mastercard
When Agents Have Wallets, Trust Is Currency
S7E10
9
No Strategy Without Vision
Guest
Brian Evergreen  ·  Founder, The Future Solving Company · Author, Autonomous Transformation
No Strategy Without Vision
S7E9
8
The Confabulation Machine
Guest
Evan Ratliff  ·  Journalist · Creator, Shell Game
The Confabulation Machine
S7E8
7
Crisis Is Your Opening
Guest
Marina Nitze  ·  Co-author, Crisis Engineering · Co-founder, Layer Aleph
Crisis Is Your Opening
S7E7
6
Inside The Infinity Machine
Guest
Sebastian Mallaby  ·  CFR Senior Fellow & Author
Inside The Infinity Machine
S7E6
5
Friction Is the Feature
Guest
Jennifer Pahlka  ·  Author, Recoding America
Friction Is the Feature
S7E5
4
AI Brings Cheap Prediction, Expensive Change
Guest
Avi Goldfarb  ·  Economist, Co-author of Prediction Machines
AI Brings Cheap Prediction, Expensive Change
S7E4
3
What 'Cheap Prediction' Means for Enterprise
Guest
Joshua Gans  ·  Economist, Co-author of Prediction Machines
What 'Cheap Prediction' Means for Enterprise
S7E3
2
Scaled AI Requires Canonical Truth
Guest
Joe DosSantos  ·  VP Data & Analytics, Workday
Scaled AI Requires Canonical Truth
S7E2
1
Ben Goertzel on the Decentralization of AI
Guest
Ben Goertzel  ·  CEO, SingularityNET
Ben Goertzel on the Decentralization of AI
S7E1  ·  Season premiere
Complete season
Season 6—The Infrastructure of Intelligence
13 episodes
12
Why AI Scaffolding Matters More than Use Cases
Guest
Erika Flowers  ·  ex-NASA, AI & Facilitation Leader
Why AI Scaffolding Matters More than Use Cases
S6E12
11
5 Predictions for Agentic AI in 2026
Guest
Josh Tyson & Robb Wilson
5 Predictions for Agentic AI in 2026
S6E11
10
The Biggest Company in AI You've Never Heard Of
Guest
Marc Hijink  ·  Author, Focus: The ASML Way
The Biggest Company in AI You've Never Heard Of
S6E10
9
Siloed Security? Forget AI Adoption
Guest
Omar Santos  ·  Distinguished Engineer, AI Security, Cisco
Siloed Security? Forget AI Adoption
S6E9
7
Confronting Complexity with GraphQL
Guest
Matt DeBergalis  ·  CEO, Apollo GraphQL
Confronting Complexity with GraphQL
S6E7
6
AI Adoption is a Supreme Act of Self-Disruption
Guest
Brian Solis  ·  Head of Global Innovation, ServiceNow
AI Adoption is a Supreme Act of Self-Disruption
S6E6
5
The Power of Agentic Commerce
Guest
Prakhar Mehrotra  ·  Global Head of AI, PayPal
The Power of Agentic Commerce
S6E5
4
You Can't Fake "AI-First"
Guest
Cassie Kozyrkov  ·  Google's First Chief Decision Scientist
You Can't Fake "AI-First"
S6E4
3
The Mind Behind NVIDIA's AI Revolution
Guest
Bryan Catanzaro  ·  VP Applied Deep Learning, NVIDIA
The Mind Behind NVIDIA's AI Revolution
S6E3
2
The Dark Side of Chasing AGI
Guest
Karen Hao  ·  NYT Bestselling Author, Empire of AI
The Dark Side of Chasing AGI
S6E2
1
NVIDIA: What's Next for the $4 Trillion AI Powerhouse?
Guest
Stephen Witt  ·  Author, The Thinking Machine
NVIDIA: What's Next for the $4 Trillion AI Powerhouse?
S6E1
Complete season
Season 5—Creativity, Law, and the Edges of AI
6 episodes
6
What the #%!@ is Vibe Coding?
Guest
Tim Wood  ·  Design Lead, Meta
What the #%!@ is Vibe Coding?
S5E6
5
Can UX Keep Up with AI?
Guest
Josh Tyson & Robb Wilson
Can UX Keep Up with AI?
S5E5
4
The 50/50 Rule with ex-NASA Chief Dan Goldin
Guest
Dan Goldin  ·  Former NASA Administrator
The 50/50 Rule with ex-NASA Chief Dan Goldin
S5E4
3
Copyrightability and Generative AI
Guest
Ed Klaris  ·  Managing Partner, Klaris Law
Copyrightability and Generative AI
S5E3
2
What Is Life? with Blaise Agüera y Arcas
Guest
Blaise Agüera y Arcas  ·  CTO of Technology & Society, Google
What Is Life? with Blaise Agüera y Arcas
S5E2
1
Radically Honest AI with Dr. Anna Lembke
Guest
Anna Lembke  ·  Author, Dopamine Nation
Radically Honest AI with Dr. Anna Lembke
S5E1
Complete season
Season 4—AI Agents in the Wild
16 episodes
16
How Do Human Brains Inform "Thinking" Machines
Guest
Thomas Parr  ·  PhD, Co-author of Active Inference
How Do Human Brains Inform "Thinking" Machines
S4E16
In Action
15
Computer Vision in Action
Guest
Jason Corso  ·  Professor of Robotics, University of Michigan
Computer Vision in Action
S4E15
In Action
14
AI Agent Building in Action
Guest
Daniel Lametti  ·  Associate Professor of Psycholinguistics, Acadia University
AI Agent Building in Action
S4E14
12
Designing a Future for AI Natives
Guest
Jieun Kiaer  ·  Professor of Korean Linguistics, Oxford
Designing a Future for AI Natives
S4E12
11
Digital Natives Are Now AI Immigrants
Guest
Marc Prensky  ·  Bestselling Author, Coined "Digital Native"
Digital Natives Are Now AI Immigrants
S4E11
10
Is AI the End of Companies?
Guest
Harsha Gowda & Nitin Bhudia  ·  Getronics
Is AI the End of Companies?
S4E10
9
Digital Twins in an Agentic World
Guest
Dr. Michael Grieves  ·  The Father of Digital Twins
Digital Twins in an Agentic World
S4E9
8
Will We Ever Love Using Software?
Guest
Matt Alston  ·  Author, Everybody Hates Workday
Will We Ever Love Using Software?
S4E8
7
Are AI Agents the End of SaaS?
Guest
Janelle Teng  ·  VP, Bessemer Venture Partners
Are AI Agents the End of SaaS?
S4E7
6
How Human Should AI Agents Really Be?
Guest
Sophie Bushwick  ·  Senior News Editor, New Scientist
How Human Should AI Agents Really Be?
S4E6
In Action
5
Agentic Micro UIs in Action
Guest
Cole Gentile  ·  Solutions Designer, OneReach.ai
Agentic Micro UIs in Action
S4E5
4
The Intelligence All Around Us
Guest
James Bridle  ·  Writer, Author of Ways of Being
The Intelligence All Around Us
S4E4
3
The AGI in Organizational Agility
Guest
Aaron De Smet  ·  Senior Partner, McKinsey & Company
The AGI in Organizational Agility
S4E3
2
Ephemeral Applications and AGI
Guest
Ben Goertzel  ·  Founder & CEO, SingularityNET
Ephemeral Applications and AGI
S4E2
1
Exploring Organizational AGI
Guest
Josh Tyson & Robb Wilson
Exploring Organizational AGI
S4E1
Complete season
Season 3—Conversational AI at Scale
22 episodes
22
AI Is a UX Term
Guest
Tanmay Bakshi  ·  Tech Prodigy, McDonald's AI
AI Is a UX Term
S3E22
21
Forging Humanistic AI
Guest
Tom Gruber  ·  Siri Co-Founder & CTO
Forging Humanistic AI
S3E21
20
AI Agents at Work
Guest
Greg Vert  ·  HR Transformation Leader, Deloitte
AI Agents at Work
S3E20
19
Behind the Curtain with Kara Swisher
Guest
Kara Swisher  ·  Legendary Tech Journalist, Author of Burn Book
Behind the Curtain with Kara Swisher
S3E19
In Action
18
AI Agents in Action
Guest
Annie Harshberger  ·  Lead Experience Architect, OneReach.ai
AI Agents in Action
S3E18
14
Lean Knowledge Management
Guest
Roger Forsgren  ·  NASA's Former Chief Knowledge Officer
Lean Knowledge Management
S3E14
13
Building an Advanced Digital Assistant
Guest
David Wu & Jeff McMillan  ·  Morgan Stanley
Building an Advanced Digital Assistant
S3E13
8
LLM? More Like "Limited" Language Model
Guest
Emily M. Bender  ·  Co-Author, "Stochastic Parrots", Professor, University of Washington
LLM? More Like "Limited" Language Model
S3E8
7
Questioning Everything
Guest
Jaron Lanier  ·  Microsoft's First Prime Unifying Scientist
Questioning Everything
S3E7
6
What Can Economics Teach Us about Conversational AI?
Guest
Daron Acemoglu  ·  MIT Institute Professor, Author of Why Nations Fail
What Can Economics Teach Us about Conversational AI?
S3E6
4
The Promise and Peril of Boundless Predictive Machines
Guest
Lisa Feldman Barrett  ·  Neuroscientist & Bestselling Author
The Promise and Peril of Boundless Predictive Machines
S3E4
2
With UX and AI, Context is Everything
Guest
Kate Moran & Sarah Gibbons  ·  Nielsen Norman Group
With UX and AI, Context is Everything
S3E2
1
The Staggering Depth of Thin UI Layers
Guest
Paul English  ·  Co-Founder of Kayak and GetHuman
The Staggering Depth of Thin UI Layers
S3E1
Complete season
Season 2—Foundations of Conversational AI
26 episodes
26
An Exercise in Unfiltered Conversation
Guest
Richard Saul Wurman  ·  Creator of TED
An Exercise in Unfiltered Conversation
S2E26
24
A Deep Dive on Conversational Design
Guest
Cathy Pearl  ·  Google's UX Lead on Gemini
A Deep Dive on Conversational Design
S2E24
22
Successful Adoption of AI
Guest
Jeff McMillan  ·  Head of AI, Morgan Stanley
Successful Adoption of AI
S2E22
17
The Path to Singularity
Guest
Ben Goertzel  ·  Founder & CEO, SingularityNET
The Path to Singularity
S2E17
15
Will AI Improve Our Thinking?
Guest
Yoav Shoham  ·  Co-Founder of A21Labs, Stanford Professor
Will AI Improve Our Thinking?
S2E15
12
Putting Data in Its Place and Giving Technology a Face
Guest
Cassie Kozyrkov  ·  Google's First Chief Decision Scientist
Putting Data in Its Place and Giving Technology a Face
S2E12
10
Practical Tales of Conversational AI with IDEO
Guest
Danny DeRuntz & Jenna Fizel  ·  IDEO
Practical Tales of Conversational AI with IDEO
S2E10
1
Lessons Learned in Conversational AI
Guest
Adam Cheyer  ·  Co-Creator of Siri
Lessons Learned in Conversational AI
S2E1
Complete season  ·  Where it started
Season 1—The First Conversations
17 episodes
17
Rethinking the Lifecycle of Design in the Face of AI
Guest
Don Norman  ·  Author, The Design of Everyday Things
Rethinking the Lifecycle of Design in the Face of AI
S1E17
16
Conversational Design Leads to Co-Creation with Humans and Machines
Guest
Rebecca Evanhoe  ·  Co-Author, Conversations with Things
Conversational Design Leads to Co-Creation with Humans and Machines
S1E16
15
We're in a Familiar Moment with Technology
Guest
Tim O'Reilly  ·  Founder & CEO, O'Reilly Media
We're in a Familiar Moment with Technology
S1E15
14
Using AI and Design to Break Free from the Productivity Trap
Guest
Seth Godin  ·  Author & Pioneering Entrepreneur
Using AI and Design to Break Free from the Productivity Trap
S1E14
9
Designing with AI Limitations in Mind
Guest
Ovetta Sampson  ·  Google's Director of UX, Core ML
Designing with AI Limitations in Mind
S1E9
6
Designers Can Ignite Conversational AI
Guest
Jesse James Garrett  ·  Author, The Elements of User Experience
Designers Can Ignite Conversational AI
S1E6
1
Generative AI Won't Kill Creativity
Guest
Josh Tyson & Robb Wilson
Generative AI Won't Kill Creativity
S1E1

Guest directory

70+ guests across 7 seasons

Every episode pairs practitioners with Robb and Josh—search or filter to find a conversation by guest name, season, or topic. Every guest is also catalogued in the UX Magazine Fellows directory, alongside our bylined writers.

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Daron Acemoglu
MIT Institute Professor, Author of Why Nations Fail
S3E6
Blaise Agüera y Arcas
CTO of Technology & Society, Google · Author
S2E23 · S5E2
Ben Armstrong
Executive Director, MIT Industrial Performance Center
S1E10
Tanmay Bakshi
Tech Prodigy, AI Architect · McDonald's AI
S3E22
Matthew Barzun
Former U.S. Ambassador · Author, The Power of Giving Away Power
S7E14
Lisa Feldman Barrett
Neuroscientist, Psychologist & Bestselling Author
S3E4
Emily M. Bender
Co-Author, "Stochastic Parrots" · Prof. of Linguistics, U of Washington
S3E8
David Bingham
Director of User Experience, Schneider Electric
S2E16
James Bridle
Writer, Artist, Technologist · Author of Ways of Being
S4E4
Sophie Bushwick
Senior News Editor, New Scientist
S4E6
Bryan Catanzaro
VP Applied Deep Learning Research, NVIDIA
S6E3
Adam Cheyer
Co-Creator of Siri
S2E1
Aaron Cooper
Sr. Director of Digital Experience, Banner Health
S3E15
Cammy Crolic
Professor of Behavioral Research, Oxford Saïd Business School
S2E18
Matt DeBergalis
CEO & Co-founder, Apollo GraphQL
S6E7
Aaron De Smet
Senior Partner, McKinsey & Company
S4E3
Danny DeRuntz
Executive Design Director, IDEO
S2E10
Jenna Fizel
Senior Director of Emerging Technology, IDEO
S2E10
Erika Flowers
AI & Facilitation Leader · ex-NASA
S6E12
Richard Florida
World-Renowned Economist & Urban Studies Researcher
S3E12
Roger Forsgren
NASA's Former Chief Knowledge Officer
S3E14
Jonathan Frankle
Chief AI Scientist, Databricks
S7E11 · S2E2
Jesse James Garrett
Author, Elements of UX · Co-Founder, Adaptive Path
S1E6
Seth Godin
Bestselling Author & Pioneering Entrepreneur
S1E14
Ben Goertzel
Popularized "AGI" · CEO, SingularityNET
S2E17 · S4E2 · S7E1
Avi Goldfarb
Economist, Co-author of Prediction Machines
S7E4
Dan Goldin
Former NASA Administrator
S5E4
Peter Greenberg
CBS News Travel Editor · Emmy Award Winner
S2E6
Tom Gruber
Siri Co-Founder, CTO & Head of Design
S3E21
Karen Hao
NYT Bestselling Author, Empire of AI
S6E2
Annie Harshberger
Lead Experience Architect, OneReach.ai
S3E18
Laura Herman
Head of AI Research, Adobe · Researcher, University of Oxford
S2E5
Marc Hijink
Author, Focus: The ASML Way
S6E10
Marina Nitze
Co-author, Crisis Engineering · Co-founder, Layer Aleph
S7E7
Lee Hood & Nathan Price
Co-authors, The Age of Scientific Wellness
S2E3
Shep Hyken
CX Expert · Author of The Amazement Revolution
S2E14
Jieun Kiaer
Professor of Korean Linguistics, Oxford
S4E12
Cassie Kozyrkov
Google's First Chief Decision Scientist
S2E12 · S6E4
Jaron Lanier
Microsoft's First Prime Unifying Scientist
S3E7
Mike Lee
Founder, The Future Market · Innovation Consultant
S2E13
Anna Lembke
MD · NYT Bestselling Author, Dopamine Nation
S5E1
Brian Evergreen
Founder, The Future Solving Company · Author, Autonomous Transformation
S7E9
Charlene Li
Digital Transformation Expert · Author, The Disruption Mindset
S2E7
Evan Ratliff
Journalist · Creator, Shell Game
S7E8
Sebastian Mallaby
Senior Fellow, CFR · Author, The Infinity Machine
S7E6
Gloria Mark
Chancellor's Professor of Informatics, UC Irvine
S3E5
Jeff McMillan
Founder, McMillanAI
S7E12 · S2E22 · S3E13
Prakhar Mehrotra
Global Head of AI, PayPal
S6E5
Kate Moran & Sarah Gibbons
VP Research & VP, Nielsen Norman Group
S3E2
Don Norman
Author, The Design of Everyday Things
S1E17
Tim O'Reilly
Founder & CEO, O'Reilly Media
S1E15
Jennifer Pahlka
Author, Recoding America · Code for America founder
S7E5
Cathy Pearl
Google's UX Lead on Gemini
S2E24
Ovetta Sampson
Google's Director of UX, Core Machine Learning
S1E9
Omar Santos
Distinguished Engineer, AI Security, Cisco
S6E9
Joe DosSantos
VP Enterprise Data & Analytics, Workday
S7E2
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